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Post by King Marcel de la Courcel on Jul 28, 2011 11:07:46 GMT -5
While we are still feeling this idea out, there were some good suggestions made in the other thread, so I'd like to poll you guys on those too (sorry for all the polling, lol). And just to be clear, these are all just ideas that we are knocking around, nothing is set in stone and of course you guys are free to post your opinions on these new options as well, and any questions they bring up. Thanks!
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Post by Lessandrie de Mereliot-Romanov on Jul 28, 2011 11:15:31 GMT -5
This is, from my point of view, what the sides of this discussion are becoming-
1. Jump ahead two years and the characters adapt based on player preference.
2. Don't jump ahead as it would disrupt character flow, plots, etc.
3. Jump ahead for a shorter period of time to present less of a problem as related in version 2.
How about, for the sake of discussion, an option 4?
Characters are allowed to make changes in age, history, etc. as though the events of this board had been fuzzed over, or made indistinct by history? For example, if took Balen (he's my example pony for now XD) to the new board and said he was 25 instead, but otherwise the same because he'd come to TdA AFTER the war. Or if people wanted to age their characters the 2 years and say they were or weren't involved in things for other reasons?
My reasoning is that this could allow the players to make the decision on how their characters adapted to the new board in a larger variety of ways. All of the events are there, but as this board didn't exist for anythign other than 'history' purposes, things could be made more indistinct. Example 2: A character is dead. On the other board we could always say that another character of teh same name died, but that it wasn't THIS person. THIS person just has the same name and traits, but that's an odd coincidence. Or whatever.
So it would be a time-jump if you chose it to be, but one that wasn't arbitrary.
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Post by King Marcel de la Courcel on Jul 28, 2011 11:22:27 GMT -5
Actually, regardless of the time jump idea becoming a reality or not, allowing people to make some changes to their characters when we move over is something else we have talked about. I for one see this new board as a fresh start, and there are some things I might like to change/do differently. The great thing about that idea is that it is up to the players, you can change nothing, or change everything. Bring some characters over, leave some behind. It's totally up to the players how they want to make the move. We haven't firmed up this idea yet either, because obviously there would be some guidelines, and other things, but just tossing it out there that this is also a possibility.
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Post by Silvana de Lucca on Jul 28, 2011 12:35:30 GMT -5
Okay, so I totally clicked on the wrong button there. >.< BRB, flailing myself for not being able to tick the correct ticky box. I AM GOOD. >.< I'm going to have to go back to change it later, won't I? So first off, thank you to management for listening and taking action to show it – that's infinitely appreciated, no, really. I know I'm pretty firm in my views etc, but the view I'm firmest about is that Discussions are First to Win. So yes. Thank you for making a second poll etc. It really creates a sense of community, and I can't speak for others, but that's priceless to me. Having turned over the advantages of skipping ahead in my silly mind, I realize that for a handful of my people, it could be beneficial. While I do see the interest in it for those of us who've been about longer, particularly in the case of things needing to be 'shook up', I'm still solid in my preference to deal with all that has to be dealt with the Old Way, because that sort of thing is generally where the most character development happens. It's been pointed out by another player in the other thread, sometimes the surprise comes from the interaction itself, from the RP partner, and it can be very shaping. And that's my greatest kink in RP, so there, you have me being shameless about what turns me on in play. I've already expressed my opinions that for me, character development being suddenly handwaved or rushed through is a problem. If the time jump is shifted to a few months, I can live with it – a year is still too much for me, though. And ideally, I'd just stay in the same timeline, I'm happy with it. *snuggles the timeline, pets it and feeds it Smarties* The other thing is the board's OOC life has been very eventful in the past month. (I don't know if that's the way it usually is, but for me, it's been a bit of a whirlwind. A good whirlwind, but one nonetheless.) It's a lot to adapt to, and losing what little was left that was still, you know, there (plot, character development schemes) might be a bit much, I think. Hence the emotional clinging to the timeline, complete with tearful eyes, dramatic love declarations, and shameless feeding of chocolate. I like Trish's suggestion of changing things about characters and such, and I'm confident that the guidelines that would be provided would be adequate. I think it's probably a very viable way of enhancing things, and requires less sacrifices than a time jump would. So my ideal solution would be, no timejump, but definitely a chance to shake things up via optional character edits, retcons, etc. ;D I think if aging a character were to be optional (and I love this, I think it's great to give options and to increase player agency), then it would be good to have some sort of plot(hole?) to explain how some people age and others don't. And this being a Fantasy World Lite, it seems entirely possible to me – nothing like the crack people can find elsewhere, but maybe something slightly supernatural? But there we are with my second kink, which is obviously plot. I'll leave that up to the mods to mull over, I think, though if that's actually an option, a brainstorming thread would be lovely lovely lovely (not to mention, it would also be community-building, and that gives me the warm and fuzzies). So there I go, and I'm sorry for the TL;DR, (should totally have posted a TL;DR alert on that one) but it was important for me to lay things out, I guess (and I must admit, meta-ing on RP is one of my kinks, so I might have self-indulged a little >.>). I hope I'm not being too lecturey. I try not to be, but if I am, blame it on the fact that I've been reviewing articles for a professor all morning, and throw me a dead shoe, along with some forgiveness? And on a purely technical note: is there a place where we can request or brainstorm features that would be lovely to have on the new board? Also, unless someone ninja-edited the middle banner while I was posting this, the poll thingum up there still links to the first poll. And love to everyone, and particularly the modlies, because I can and it's from ye heart. <3 <3 <3
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Post by Daniel nó Mandrake on Jul 28, 2011 12:44:35 GMT -5
Shorter post, I promise.
Still not voting, for same reasons as before.
I'm generally not in favour of time-jumping at all, because of the reasons outlined in my previous post, and I don't think changing the length of time really ameliorates the concerns I raised before.
As for the other suggestions, I think part of the problem is that we're all coming to this discussion with massively different histories. I mean, you don't really have any desire for a fresh start if you've only just begun – like me. Whereas I can see why it would be an appealing opportunity for people with characters they like but who have accumulated a lot of perhaps unwanted baggage.
Of course I would be generally in favour of anything that gives players a greater sense of ownership over their characters but it strikes me that it would perhaps be easier for everyone to accept if there could be some way of separating character from context – since character is specific to individuals but context affects everyone wholesale. To use the time shift as an example, it provides that opportunity for change for players who want it, but it also imposes that change on people who don't.
There must be some way to achieve both.
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Post by King Marcel de la Courcel on Jul 28, 2011 12:58:31 GMT -5
Hey Bev, some good ideas in there! I too like the community aspect of the board, that's why we put these things up for discussion! After getting a lot of opinions in the old thread, I really wanted to see what people thought of some of the other options presented (and I do love when people present other ideas too).
We definitely take all ideas presented and discuss, discuss, discuss, so Bev, as soon as I get a minute (I'm sneaking on from work lol), I will put up a specific post for brainstorming/ideas/etc.
I would just like to say that while we cannot make everyone happy all the time, we DO listten to people and take their feelings into account. We might still make decisions that are unpopular at times, but it is after much discussion and what we feel is in the best interest of the board, not because we are discounting anyone's feelings/thoughts/ideas. I hope everyone can bear with us during this time because we really do want the board to remain a fun place for people to RP, even if we make a few tweaks here and there.
Thanks everyone for participating in the process!!
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Post by Queen Coretta de la Courcel on Jul 28, 2011 15:56:36 GMT -5
I think most things have been addressed already, so I'm not sure what to say. *scuffs toe*
though Alex, please do vote! It doesn't matter if you've been on the board for six days or six years.. everyone has the same rights <3
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Post by Raisa Valois on Jul 28, 2011 17:51:58 GMT -5
Having thought about it instead of studying, I can see the pros/cons for each argument so I don't know where I really stand. On one hand I've only pretty much just started developing my characters and 2 years is a huge period of time to be skipping over that potential. Age is a pretty big issue for me as well, considering that all my characters barring two are in late adolescence there's a lot of maturing that'd need to take place. But on the other hand I do think it would be really interesting to see how they would deal post war (fresh starts and all). I guess it wouldn't be so much of an issue once that's been RPed but anyway.
Simply put I guess I'd be more comfortable with a shorter time skip, but I'm pretty much ok with whatever happens.
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Post by King Marcel de la Courcel on Jul 28, 2011 19:45:25 GMT -5
Raisa, I just have to pop in and love on your avatar, she is so pretty *pets*
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Post by Leyna de Somerville on Jul 29, 2011 0:37:21 GMT -5
first off, count me in with the others who have commended the wonderful discussion and response from management on this issue. it really does build the community feeling on the board i voted the last option because none of the others really seemed to fit my feelings. i do like a lesser time skip if there is to be one, but i am still not sure how i feel about one at all. i agree with the idea of being able to make character adjustments when the board is moved, i think that is a brilliant idea. in that vein perhaps a six month jump would be enough for people to shake their characters pasts off if they wanted or make any changes and still allow those who wanted to keep them the same to do so also. also, put me in the box with those who would like to know if there is going to be a major jump as soon (not like right away or anything, i know there is still discussion to do and all that lovely stuff). i have been toying around with a possible new character, but i will wait to polish her up if there is going to be a major jump. thanks for taking my two cents *passes around homemade fudge and biscotti*
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Post by Daniel nó Mandrake on Jul 29, 2011 8:30:08 GMT -5
Can I also have some clarity about what, err, we should be doing at the moment. In a general state of confusion I kind of stopped posting because it seemed a bit pointless if I was going to have to scrap everybody and start again some years into the future - but obviously I'd rather be posting than not, and I've left some people hanging around, which is just bad manners.
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Post by King Marcel de la Courcel on Jul 29, 2011 11:19:20 GMT -5
I would say to continue to post, because after the first thread if we DO do a time jump, it would more likely be less than six months time, not YEARS, so I think it's safe to continue posting! As soon as a firm decision is made, I will definitely post it, I just want to give everyone a chance to weigh in before we decide
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Post by Daniel nó Mandrake on Jul 29, 2011 12:39:31 GMT -5
No, absolutely, that's important. I wasn't trying to push for a snap decision, I just wanted to know what to do with myself. I miss posting when I'm not
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Post by Juliette L'Envers de Montegue on Jul 31, 2011 15:48:14 GMT -5
While initially tentatively supportive of a time jump, having read others thoughts, I think it's unfair to the 'newer' players. To be fair to everyone, I'm now going to vote for no time jump, but I would like to support the idea of being able to edit charries when we bring them onto the new website.
Is there a rough guess-timate for when the new website might be up and running? (I will not hold you to the answer, I just need to knew when to start thinking, lol)
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Post by Queen Coretta de la Courcel on Jul 31, 2011 18:27:39 GMT -5
We most definitely will let you guys know ASAP! We both know how frustrating it is wanting to figure things out and not knowing what direction to go in.
As for the new site, no true idea.. a lot depends on funding and once it's up, how difficult it might be to set up. I don't really anticipate much problem though.. it'll mostly be learning to navigate, but if I can use FTP I can figure things out fairly quickly. I hope, lol.
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