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Post by Sabrina de la Courcel (D) on Jun 14, 2010 12:08:13 GMT -5
So... totally basic idea with no real thought put into it... what do people think about the idea of creating a plot about a skaldic royal family... Its been over 50 years since the war between them and TdA... and in Dart there was sort of an implication that they were trying to move from basic nomads into a society like TdA.... could be something interesting to throw out there.
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Post by Queen Coretta de la Courcel on Jun 14, 2010 12:17:25 GMT -5
Skaldia doesn't have a royal family I thought; they were scattered tribes that attempted to unite, but after invading TDA and failing they were scattered tribes once again.
I haven't read the latter books though, so who knows. I always liked the idea of scattered warring clans rather than a definitive royal family. We could always do a couple of the major clans, create those families. It would let more people have major roles for one, and two, we could always cook something up there, either them working together on plots against TDA, or them fighting one another.
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Post by Majia DiNiro on Jun 14, 2010 12:34:22 GMT -5
I agree. Due to the nature of teh people, they wouldn't have one ruling family. Perhaps they could unite, as Carol suggested, but they would still have their historical downfall fresh in their minds, so it might be one of those things to happen over time. I think what Carol said about creating a few clans and then going on from there is a good idea.
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Post by Sabrina de la Courcel (D) on Jun 14, 2010 14:06:01 GMT -5
My suggestion came more so from the fact that eventually that area will be come Belgium and Germany... which do have royal families... Both of which come from the French and English monarchy... granted that that is a bit in the future, but that doesn't mean we couldn't start something...
I was kinda thinking something along the lines of having a singular family/person stand out who starts to unite the clans...
Royalty pretty much came from the strongest group of people or one person standing up and saying... HEY... I'M YOUR KING DAMNIT! And being able to control the masses.
In the Legacy books with Imriel, he talks about Vralia which is the future Russia. The guy that's in charge basically did just that... came in guns a blazin and took over the place.
I suppose one idea is to combine the concept of the wild warring tribes and a singular group looking to take over completely as 'royalty', and may be they come to TdA to promote themselves and get the crown to support their cause to modernize Skadia.
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Post by Anixiel nó Valerian on Jun 14, 2010 14:10:43 GMT -5
I think that would be a good idea. Maybe have a few families, and one or two who are like the Queen Bees, if you will. They would have to fight for their prominence, though, I think, and then the other clans might respect that they are the strongest clan/clans and it could end up working that way. It doesnt seem like it would be easy to just stand up and assert yourself, in feudal countries, you have to earn that. And then perhaps it could stem off of that?? Or maybe some clans unite to become stronger, and become the strongest, and then the other clans kind of fall into place because disrupting that would mean the end of their clan as they knew it?
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Post by Sabrina de la Courcel (D) on Jun 14, 2010 17:03:24 GMT -5
We could also throw in something along the lines of may be this guy is of D'Angeline descent? May be part of one of the families from the original war? Even a political affiliation by marriage as well... like he's got a sister he wants to marry off to Christien... something like that.
I think its do-able either way...
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Post by Anixiel nó Valerian on Jun 14, 2010 21:51:00 GMT -5
If I might add something in... it might be difficult to ally two nations with such bad blood between them with a marriage... if making them allies is the key here. Would the Queen or the nation agree with marrying off Christien to a Skaldic "princess" as it were? Would they be trusted? Maybe if they prove themselves to be changing for the better? But wasn't that the issue in the first place? Having the Skaldic people united became a threat to Terre d'Ange. Having that and a possible heir to the throne of Terre d'Ange on their side could be cause for ambush.
Then again, that is all "what ifs". It just doesn't seem immediately feasible that Terre d'Ange would trust them enough to pawn off someone. And to have a half d'Angeline ruler of sorts is entirely possible (lineage-wise) but then would the Skaldic people really trust in that?
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Post by Naia Shahrizai on Jun 14, 2010 22:05:08 GMT -5
Christien - wait, WHAT? lol, I'd play that though ;D
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Post by Sabrina de la Courcel (D) on Jun 14, 2010 22:14:01 GMT -5
I'm not talking about an absolute... I'm taking about a possible plot to be played out. I'd never suggest something that would be a done deal or something along the lines. And Sabrina's not likely to just jump into a marriage like that. Henri's trying to get his daughter married off to Christien as well. But I mean, back in the day thats how powerful aliegences were made. I'm thinking from the perspective that it totally wouldn't be looked on as good, that way there would be chances to play out the drama of what was happening. I'm merely suggesting that it could be an interesting plot...
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Post by Naia Shahrizai on Jun 14, 2010 22:16:25 GMT -5
I do like the idea of doing something with the Skaldics, it's definitely an interesting thought. I think the idea of an alliance of some more powerful Skaldic tribes would be the most logical way it might happen, with one person being more powerful/charismatic than the rest and being able to unite the others. I think a common enemy is a good way to do that, but maybe not terre d'ange, since that memory probably still smarts!
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Post by Anixiel nó Valerian on Jun 15, 2010 11:10:46 GMT -5
Good idea! Though who would make a good common enemy... unless they unite over the war with Menekhet? Perhaps? If there's families created, maybe they offer up their help in some way shape or form in order to show that they are not the Skaldi they once were? I don't know, just tossing that out there
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Post by Faisan nó Balm on Jun 21, 2010 10:43:21 GMT -5
The nomadic tribes of Germania eventually got together in the same way most everyone else did: either a stronger clan beat and subsumed a weaker one, or smaller clans turned into a single bigger one by pooling their resources and inter-marrying. Eventually, when it gets to a big enough scale, you end up with a country. Hopefully (but not often) without a big civil war. Plague and famine can throw monkeywrenches in, but you're still looking at a process that takes a few centuries.
That being said, the two things that jump out the most out of all the postings here is that some sort of D'Angeline relation would be nice with a nascent Skaldia monarchy, and that it'd be nice if there were a leader, or pseudo-leader. It's been suggested that the Skaldi come to help with the Menekhet-trouble, but I would actually suggest the opposite: have a full Skaldi chieftain, someone with the potential to become a leader (or at least leave his kids in a position to become such), ask for help from Terre D'Ange and offer one or more of his kids (or wives, or family et al). This would have to be someone who's already gathered a few clans to back him up so his request carries some actual weight.
That would accomplish a number of things: it proves he means to stabilize the border between their people, which is something Terre D'Ange has every reason to pursue. It puts a few characters from Skaldia within D'Angeline soil, as hostages and to learn whatever they can of how to behave like royalty, and (more importantly) to make friends with what might, eventually, be their royal neighbors (if dad succeeds). And it creates a conflict for war-trained characters to follow that doesn't actually harm D'Angeline soil.
Just my two cents in. It might be the 3-week lack of sleep talking, though.
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Post by Sabrina de la Courcel (D) on Jun 22, 2010 16:21:36 GMT -5
Ya see, thats sorta what I had in mind... You pretty much summed it up far better then I did... and all with a lack of sleep to boot. Me=not so smrt.
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Post by Faisan nó Balm on Jun 23, 2010 8:52:27 GMT -5
Actually, I had the benefit of a dozen posts to read over XD
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